Sunday, 22 August 2010

2 interesting spots

Often when a spot is "tough" at the tables, it becomes a whole lot clearer (normally "well THAT was retarded...") a couple hours later when you have more than 30 seconds to figure it out. There aren't that many hands which I feel are actually very close either way, but they do come up, and I'd really appreciate some input on these hands. I've included my reads/thoughts in blue.

Having read Poker Meister's blog, I really like his HH posts since they generate a lot of good discussion, so I might start doing this more often if it works out well.

Hand #1

Villain is relatively unknown, I think he was roughly 15/15 over about 12 hands so probably a reg.

Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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BTN: $264.05
Hero (SB): $183.40
BB: $100.20
UTG: $215.65
CO: $104.50

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is SB with A Q
1 fold, CO raises to $3, 1 fold, Hero calls $2.50, 1 fold

Without knowing any more about him I think 3betting is a little thin.

Flop: ($7.00) 3 2 9 (2 players)
Hero checks,
CO bets $4, Hero raises to $13, CO calls $9

Hard flop to hit, he is probably cbetting all his air and I have 2 overs so I think it's a great spot to c/r. Again, he's unknown so I don't expect him to get super tricky and float or 3b with air that often.

Turn: ($33.00) Q (2 players)
Hero ???

So here's the tough bit imo - we hit our gin card on the turn, and my first thoughts were to value bet and shove most rivers since we're so polarised and he often has 9x/TT/JJ. On the flip side, he's an unknown reg and I don't know how thin he likes to bluffcatch, so he might end up folding those hands a lot. He can also have QQ+ and sets, and if he does occasionally have a float, he might bet if we check to him.

Hand #2

CO is 29/22 with 10% 3bet over 115 hands, he has raised 2 out of 6 flops so far.
BTN is 29/24 with 7% 3bet.
SB is a fairly straightforward 22/18 with 7% 3bet.
BB is a weak player, 29/10.

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CO: $100.00
BTN: $172.20
SB: $140.00
BB: $105.50
Hero (UTG): $213.45

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is UTG with 7 A
Hero raises to $3, CO calls $3, 1 fold, SB calls $2.50, 1 fold

We are 5-handed with a weak player in the BB so I think opening this hand UTG is fine. The CO is a pretty aggressive 3bettor so it's perhaps a bit thin.

Flop: ($10.00) T 7 3 (3 players)
SB checks,
Hero bets $7, CO raises to $23, SB folds, Hero ???

I bet this flop with the intention of barreling off a decent amount. While we have a bit of SD value, it's going to be hard to get value from a worse hand on later streets anyway, and our hand is really vulnerable so I think betting and using our pair as semibluffing equity is a much better option than checking.

When he raises I think it's close between a fold and a shove (I don't like calling since our hand is so vulnerable and we're OOP). He can definitely be raising this flop with a lot of hands, like a BDFD, overcards, 98, etc. as well as sets, but we have a blocker to 77 and he probably flats with sets on this board pretty often, especially because it's a good board for me to barrel. I also think he 3bets QQ+ and maybe JJ most of the time preflop, given his high 3b%, though it's possible he could flat expecting BTN or SB to squeeze.

I guess the main question is, how often does he raise a hand like AT/KT/JJ for value here? I don't think it's good without history, but given how aggro he is, he may well do it anyway. Also of note is that we are 3way, though he may think that's a good reason to bluff since it looks stronger.

If we have, say 15% equity when called, we are effectively risking $60 to win $40 so he has to fold 60% if we shove. Normally giving someone a 60% bluffing range is pretty optimistic but here I think it's very close.

If you think either of these hands is actually a no-brainer either way, please let me know!

- HappyPixel

6 comments:

Conan776 said...

First hand, c/r.

Second hand, I think you are dead to an A coming in.

(But I'm way down crushing deep stacked 25NL and happy and really don't want to have to think about such spots right now.)

Rupert said...

hand 1: bet
hand 2: fold

Rupert said...

don't outlevel yourself into thinking they are EVER bluffing in that spot no matter how good a spot it looks to do. they aren't bluffing anywhere near enough to make calling 1 street (let alone 3) remotely profitable. even if you do have the best hand now, they will always have equity vs you and there are several turns that suck if he barrels them so sometimes you get bluffed off best hand, sometimes they turn best hand etc

Rupert said...

pretty sure calling>shoving if you are going to continue, shoving you fold out all worse get called by all better and don't fold out any better

HappyPixel said...

Yeah I think I level myself way too often. I folded and felt good about not spewing like I normally do.

Thanks for the feedback.

The Poker Meister said...

Been meaning to comment on the hands:

1st hand: I'm betting. Pretty certain CO does not have a flopped set; against a random facing a c/r, he's likely to jump out of his seat & 3 bet you hoping you can't lay down your Aces. Pretty certain the Q is ahead of his range.

2nd hand: Fold. You have very little vested in the pot; what is the plan for the turn / river? Are you planning on stacking off with 2nd pair? Hoping for an Ace? You don't even know if you hit a 7 whether your trips will be good. Get out and look for a better spot.